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| Author: | scorelord [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | SMP neural network training |
Hi! we are in the process of enabling the SMP enabled versions of the neural network training functions in alglib. Using the new SMP functions we have achieved a large speedup and that is great. I do have a few questions: In the past we have been using the mpltrainlm and mlptrainlbfgs functions, with the new functionality we need to switch to creating a training object and using smp_mlptrainnetwork. However, it seems that some functionality is missing from the new approach (or implemented differently). With the old functions, error codes would be passed in an info object, that is not used in the new function. Are all possible errors now handled as exceptions? Does alglib use standard exception objects? How can I set the training object to use Levenberg-Marquardt training? Thanks! |
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| Author: | Sergey.Bochkanov [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SMP neural network training |
Hello! Yes, some of the old functionality was reimplemented differently in new ALGLIB. Here is description and rationale for changes: 0. old approach was sometimes criticized for having functions with too many parameters. New "trainer object" interface allows to separate dataset specification, algorithm tuning, and training itself. Furthermore, it is flexible enough so we can add new functionality (say, new stopping criteria) without ruining backward compatibility. 1. critical errors (like having negative number of classes, or incorrect class number in the dataset) are now signaled by exceptions. The reason is that these errors should not occur during normal workflow under any circumstances. From the other side, the only "normal" completion code returned by training function was "2 = problem solved". I.e. the whole idea of the completion codes turned out to be completely uninformative under normal workflow. 2. ALGLIB uses its own exception class (ap_error in c++, alglibexception in c#) which has one string field containing textual description of the error. You may use this field if you need human-readable description of the error. 3. unfortunately, in new versions of ALGLIB NN interface you can not use Levenberg-Marquardt training. This algorithm turned out to be impractical for everything except for small-scale problems. BTW, what programming language do you use - C++ or C#? If you use C#, then upcoming ALGLIB 3.8.1 may bring you even larger speedup - in this version you will be able to use optimized C computational core from C#. And C version of neural networks is several times faster than C# one due to use of SSE intrinsics. |
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| Author: | scorelord [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SMP neural network training |
Hi Sergey, we are using C++. Thanks for the explanation, things are clear to me now! |
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| Author: | Sergey.Bochkanov [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SMP neural network training |
Just to make sure that you use all performance you can get - did you defined AE_CPU=AE_INTEL? it gives x2-x4 speedup against generic C code. |
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| Author: | scorelord [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SMP neural network training |
We have previously made that define so I think we are getting every last drop of performance out. With the multiprocessor support I can now train pretty large networks in a relatively short amount of time. Very impressive! Thanks! |
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